On a recent trip to Memphis I was discussing church with a brother on the plane. The topics ranged from WOF to popular pimps and even tithing. When we were discussing tithing a voice interrupted us. It was the lady in front of us giving her insight on tithing.  Well after she intervened a second time I politely excused myself from the conservation with the brother and moved to the sister in the seat up front. Her comments centered on tithing still being in effect.

You can imagine my surprise to see that she was a Jehovah witness.(I picked this up from her New World Translation Bible) After taking her to Genesis, Numbers and Malachi in an attempt to explain the invalidity of tithing, she appeared open to hearing the truth.  At this point I asked her had she heard of Benny Hinn and asked did she think he was a false prophet. To which she agreed and read Deuteronomy  18:20-22 which declares death to the false prophet. We then exposed Creflo Dollar and she once again agreed with scripture.

However when the conversation moved to the founders of JW suddenly false prophecies became errors or mistakes. A clear double standard arrived. She even referred to the debacle of Beth-Sarim as a clear mistake. I’ve decided to post the pattern I use in undermining the foundation of the JW organization. It is based on showing that the founders of the false organization were false prophets and thereby their organization is false. This post even include JW magazines, studies and proof of their own heresy.


WITNESSING TO JW’S

Approach by dismantling the society, show it to be a false prophet.

Mention false prophets like Benny Hinn or Creflo Dollar.
Benny Hinn false prophecies
1. In the mid 90’s Benny stated that homosexuals would be consumed by fire in 1994. Since that didn’t happen that makes Hinn a false prophet.  At this point have them read Deut 18:20 from their bible.
2. Also in the 90’s Benny stated that Castro would no longer be president of Cuba at the turn of the century. This failed to happen. Again have them read Deut 18:20 from their bible, ALOUD.

Question
How do you feel about false prophets like Benny?
According to the word how many false prophecies does it take to become a false prophet?

3. Did you know that Benny Hinn Stated in 2001 that Jesus would appear with him on the stage in Nigeria. Of course that didn’t happen either.  I’m sure you agree that Benny is a false prophet.

Creflo Dollar
1. Predicted that Jesus would return between 2003 and 2005. According to the bible doesn't that make him a false prophet. Could you please read Deut 18:20 aloud once, more?


Question
Do you know of any false prophets in the word that became a “true prophet”?

Question
Isn’t the watchtower instructions that when one discovers a false prophets then ”the people should no longer trust them as safe guides”?

Therefore we should avoid Benny Hinn and False prophets like him, right? Could you read Deut 18:20 ALOUD again for me?

BETH-SARIM
Question
Have you ever heard of Beth-Sarim in San Diego? If so you know it was built for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other Old Testament “princes” who were supposed to show up in 1925. Since this prophecy didn’t come to past wouldn't this be a false prophecy? Read Deut 18:20 ALOUD [Watchtower Magazine, WM 10/15/1917 p6157; WM 4/1/1923 p106; WM 7/15/ 1924 p211]


BIBLE IN STONE
Question
What would be your opinion of an organization that taught the Great Pyramid of Egypt contained prophetic wisdom from God? They taught this as a standard for almost fifty years using the pyramid to make published predictions which did not come true.

******AT THIS POINT YOU EXPOSE THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY AS FALSE PROPHETS AND PRESENT THEM THEIR OWN PERIODICALS AS PROOF.

Are you aware that it was the watchtower society who taught the Great Pyramid of Egypt contained prophetic wisdom for God?  Your founder Charles Taze Ruzzel called the pyramid a bible in stone and they taught this for over fifty years. Did you know he used the pyramid to predict that Jesus would come in 1874 (which didn’t happen)? I also read that Charles Russel was buried beneath a massive pyramid shaped grave marker.  I find that interesting don’t you? [Studies in Scripture SIS vol 4, Prophecy; Watchtower Magazine WM 5/15/1925 p148]


SATAN’S BIBLE
Question
Why did the Watchtower Society switch its position under its new leader in 1928 Joseph Rutherford and called the pyramid “satan’s bible”. [WM 11/15/1928 p344]

Question
How do you reconcile this with watchtowers claim to be a true prophet of God?

Question
Why did early watchtower literature teach that the second coming of Christ occurred in 1874, while later literature from the watchtower taught that it happened in 1914? Do true prophets of God change their minds like this? [The Truth Shall Make You Free, TTS; Creation 1927 p289]. Read Deut 18:20-22 ALOUD

Question
Why didn’t the overthrow of human governments and the full establishment of God’s Kingdom occur in 1914 as predicted by the watchtower society? (Don't let them confuse you with comments about WWI) Since that prophecy didn’t come to past doesn’t/t that mean that according to the bible (Deut 18:20) the society is a false prophet. [SIS vol 2 1888; SIS vol 3 1891; SIS vol 3 1913]

 Question
In 1975 the Watchtower society once again claimed that 6,000 years of human history would com to an end (it failed to happen in 1874) Since the watchtower society  was wrong both times , that makes them twice a false prophet. [Awake 10/8/1966 p19; OKM Our Kingdom Ministry  6/1969 p3; OKM May 1974 p3]

Since it didn’t end in 1975 culminating in Armageddon like the watchtower society proclaimed, do you really think that the watchtower society is a true prophet.

Since the society was wrong in 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975, do you think that you should still trust the society as a “safe guide”. After all, your soul is on the line.

The seed of doubt has been planted. Your job is now complete and the remainder is between them and the Holy Spirit. The truths presented will prick their conscience and perhaps some will convert, but whatever the outcome you have been obedient to the great commission. You will have difficulty getting them to write down the articles to research because they are now in shock. Prepare them to be told that NO SUCH publications exist!! Then convince them to do the research "on their own" and they can locate and verify the publications for themselves. If they really want to remove the blindfold they will not stop when the elders misinform them.


This is a sidebar that usually is not necessary at this point.
HOW TO ARGUE AGAISNT THEIR VIEW THAT CHRIST’S INVISIBLE COMING HAS OCCURRED IN 1914
Have them read Mat 24:29-30 in their bible.
Mt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
 Mt 24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
Did any of the above events happen in 1914? How about 1874?
Did the moon refuse to give its light during those years?
How about the stars? Did they fall from heaven?
Did all the tribes of earth mourn at that time?

 Please Read Ron Rhodes book; Witnessing to JW's

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HOW TO COMMITT SUICIDE IN THE CHURCH

A warning against preachers who stir up the sin of covetousness

Would you attend a church that:
     Makes it more difficult to get into heaven
     Kindles suicidal desires in the congregation
    Would you attend a church that:
Directs the focus and attention away from Jesus
     Teaches that the accumulation of wealth is a sign of godliness
     Promotes LESS faith in the promises of God
    Would you attend a church that:
Instructs you on “how to strangle yourself to death”
     Removes the salt and the light of the world
     Plunge attendees into ruin and destruction

Want to wreck your spiritual life? How would you like to increase your possibility of being lost. Are you looking forward to drinking poisoned kool-aid? Would you like to exponentially increase the difficulty of living spiritually healthy lives.

Unfortunately many preachers, particularly prosperity teachers have denied the truth of scripture and adopted viewpoints that are heretical and damming to their congregation. Listen to  Lu 9:23 And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. The first condition is to “deny yourself”, which directly contradicts the prosperity gospel. Both cannot be right, therefore I choose to follow what Jesus says. YWould you expect the same person (Jesus) who tells you to deny yourself to also make you rich? Jesus never conflicts himself.

Remember that passage where Jesus told Peter to “get behind him”?  Is Jesus saying that to you today? Look at this passage again  Mt 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's".  Why was Peter a stumbling block? Are you a stumbling block? You are if you are setting your mind on man’s interest and not God’s. Setting your mind on prosperity is setting your mind on man’s interest and not God’s. You, like Peter, have become a stumbling block.

After reviewing the list I am sure most of you mentally said “I would never attend a church like that”.  Sadly though most of you attend a church like that and love to have it so. Let me see if the word of God can expose the heresy of so many local churches which attempt to emulate the apparent success of today’s misguided mega churches. To attend a church which preaches the false prosperity gospel in any fashion, is to prepare for spiritual suicide. You will eventually sway toward a walk in the flesh and not the spirit, that's spiritual suicide. The prosperity gospel is ungodly because it turns you against contentment and turns you toward materialism and gain, that's spiritual suicide. It turns you from preparing for the eternal rewards toward reaping temporary pleasures which abound no heavenly reward, that's spiritual suicide. This is God’s instruction in Lu 14:33 "So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #1
1. Beware of a pastor that instructs you to strangle yourself with riches and pleasures.

Proof Text:  Lu 8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
Many never come to total commitment to Christ because of their increasing devotion to materialism. How sad it is when the teaching of materialism comes from the pulpit, teaches which exhorts stuff over Christ. Is there not enough materialism from our market driven society? TV, radio, billboards and the internet all announcing that stuff will bring happiness & pleasure.  Now you can add the “pulpit” to the list of TV, Radio billboards and the internet. How heretical to teach that which God’s word forbids. How sinful to teach that which chokes the spiritual life out of the congregation. Are you unknowingly committing suicide by choking yourself with an ungodly desire for riches and pleasures?

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #2
2. Beware of pastoral preaching that promotes less faith in the promises of God.

Since the Word instructs us to be content with what we have and bring honor to God. Being content also honors the following scripture.
Proof Text:  Heb 13:5 Make sure that your character is free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, "I WILL NEVER DESERT YOU, NOR WILL I EVER FORSAKE YOU,"
 Heb 13:6 so that we confidently say, "THE LORD IS MY HELPER, I WILL NOT BE AFRAID. WHAT WILL MAN DO TO ME?"

Paul commands us to be content and live without covetousness. Why listen to a pastor that brags about his car, boasts about his house and blow his own horn about his money(which he most likely got from the pew, that’s you)?
What sacrilege it is to abuse God's money. Since God promises to never forsake you, why do you strive to accumulate riches which require time and attention that should be given to God?
Why would you listen to teaching that promises to make you rich or grant you the accumulation of houses, cars, etc when God warns you constantly about the sin of greed? Ro 1:29; 1Co 5:11; 6:10; Eph 5:3,5  Col 3:5

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #3
3. Beware of Pastors that preach doctrine that  makes it harder to get into heaven.

 Proof Text.  Mr 10:23 And Jesus, looking around, *said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"
 Mr 10:24 The disciples were amazed at His words. But Jesus *answered again and *said to them, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!
 Mr 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
 Mr 10:26 They were even more astonished and said to Him, "Then who can be saved?"
 Mr 10:27 Looking at them, Jesus *said, "With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God."      Mt 19:23-26; Lu 18:24; 1Co 1:26; Jas 4:4

If your pastor teaches about how to acquire riches, he is actually making it more difficult for some to enter heaven and impossible for others enter heaven.  Look at the above text, riches make it impossible for the unbeliever to enter. Why listen to someone that is making it harder to enter heaven. Greed and the love of money will hinder the growth of the believer. It follows that the acquisition of riches ends in the trust of riches which tend to supplant the need of God. (Just think about it, rich folks apparently have less need for Christ because of their material wealth. They are the most difficult group to evangelize. You can’t tell them “God has a wonderful plan for your life” they already think they have a wonderful life. What they don’t know is that they have a hellfire eternity.)

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #4
4. Beware of a pastor that teaches a doctrine that plunges you into ruin and destruction.

Proof Text:  1Ti 6:6 ¶ But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment.
 1Ti 6:7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either.
 1Ti 6:8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content.
 1Ti 6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
 1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs..
Mt 13:22; 19:22; 26:15; Jas 5:1-4; 2Pe 2:15,16; Jude 1:11

Why are you continuing to listen to sermons which encourage you to pierce yourself, that entrap you in snares and drown you in destruction and ruin? It is deceitful to constantly draw people to Christ to acquire riches. If your pastor teaches prosperity, he is prepping you for destruction, ruin, piercing and sorrows. He is teaching contrary to scripture because he is teaching you to desire riches in direct contradiction to scripture.

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #5
5. Beware of pastoral ministries that remove the willingness to suffer and be persecuted for Christ.

Jesus says we are blessed when we are persecuted while the prosperity gospel says we are blessed when we get stuff.(which eventually fades away).
Proof text: Mt 5:11 "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
 Mt 5:12 "Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
 Mt 5:13 ¶ "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.
 Mt 5:14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden;
 Mt 5:15 "nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.

The prosperity gospel contradicts the mandate of persecution and suffering for Christ sake. ( 2Ti 3:12 Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 1Pe 3:14 But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED,)
Wealth does not make you salt nor light. Actually the prosperity gospel offers exactly what the world believes in. A person does not have to be saved to embrace it(the world's desire for wealth, they just have to be greedy and we are born greedy. The world sees itself in the prosperity driven church and flocks to it. They buy in because it offers another route to acquire what the world constantly offers. Two ways to get a Benz, sell drugs or use faith in Jesus and claim it.

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #6
6. Beware of preachers that encourage allegiance to the temporary residence (the world) and not the eternal (heaven).

Proof text: 2Co 5:20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Peter remind us that to abstain from fleshly lusts in  1Pe 2:11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. But prosperity teachers have you behaving contrary to scripture inspiring you to lust.
Jesus cautions against the desire and determination to store up material treasures on earth, our temporary residence. Listen to Mt 6:19 ¶ "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. Mt 6:20 "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal;  Mt 6:21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. The prosperity gospel convinces you to contradict the Word by storing up treasures on earth VS storing up in heaven. The temporary VS the eternal.

Why would we seek out and listen to preachers who instruct us by opposing the commands of God in the flesh, Jesus Christ. Are you listening to a pastor that brags about his stuff. That brags about his breaking the 10th commandment. Removing our center of attention from Jesus to materialism which is suicidal in terms of eternity.

SPIRITUAL SUICIDE AWARENESS TIP #7
7. Beware of teaching that will bring howling and misery and a life of remorse.

Proof Text: Jas 5:1 ¶ Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you.
 Jas 5:2 Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten.
 Jas 5:3 Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!

Why go with a prosperity teaching that promises despair and lamentation. It’s like committing spiritual suicide. Whatever you acquire will rot unless it's eternally based. Quit being decieved, let go the perceived investment and move on to a healthy authentic church. Why stay in a training ground that is preparing you for weeping, howling and miseries?

CONTENTMENT
Decisions in life made from a position of contentment are not sinful by nature. However decisions made from a position of greed leads to shambles and devastation. Why go to a church that is supposed to give life and in reality it leads to spiritual suicide. We are to walk in the spirit not the flesh. Why attend a church that stirs up the flesh. Sin awakened in an area of life soon spreads. Sin never stays in a box. If your focus is removed from Jesus and given to the doctrine of materialism, it will not be long before that sin of greed spreads to relationships. That mate you were happy with now looks out of date and lacks flash. Why?, Because you have become fleshly.(worldy minded).  Beware of awakening your lower nature (the old man), that sinful flesh.

Jesus instructed the soldiers to be content with their wages (and so should we)
   Lu 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Paul instructs us to be content with our calling
1Co 7:20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

The word instructs us to be content without envy (envy drives you to greed)
Ga 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
Ga 5:26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

We are instructed to be content with our state
Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

Be content with food and clothing and godliness
1Ti 6:6-8 But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

ARE YOU COMMITING SUICIDE IN YOUR PRESENT CHURCH???????

Thanks to John Piper for the insight and inspiration for this post. Thanks to Pastor Jimmie King for the corrections.

WHAT BRINGS SATAN PLEASURE?
...when the applause of hell becomes the blind delight of evangelicalism

What are we to do with teachers such as: Creflo Dollar, T.D Jakes, Eddie Long, Noel Jones, Ike Hillard, Joyce Meyers, Benny Hinn and I have to throw Juanita Bynum in the mix? Here are some quotes and theological positions from some of these teachers. 

What bibical scriptures  and precepts do you see violated in each of the following quotes. To leave your answers click on the comment bar at the end of this post. I'm looking forward to hearing from you. I'll be posting the answers next week, so stay tuned. (These quizzes are printable; click more [at the bottom] to view the entire post and then the print icon).



1. Listen to this dialogue and tell me who you think it is.
CALLER: I’m a Muslim here in Portland. I’m part of a Shiite community. And we had a wonderful interface dialogue last weekend with a local Unitarian church. And I’d like to ask you please to speak about concrete experiences you’ve had as far as interfaith dialogue goes. And also would like to ask you, do you feel that only Christians could hope to enter Heaven?
Famous Pastor’s response: Very great question. When it comes to interfaith experiences, I’m currently serving by the appointment of former President Bush and President Clinton, as co-chair of an interfaith advisory committee to help people get back up on their feet.
And we do have on the board Muslims, Catholics, a Jewish Rabbi, Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals across the board. And we’re working together very effectively because we all care about common goals. We have our distinct theologies and our own ideologies but there are common grounds that we can work together very effectively in many, many cases.
When it comes to Heaven, I try to leave that up to God. I certainly believe that Christianity is right, but when it comes down to the final test–who goes and who doesn’t go–Jesus said, Other sheep have I who are not of this fold. Them also must I bring. I’ll let Him identify who those sheep are and I stay out of the conversation.,
(See John 10:16  for this quote in context)
                                                       (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Ike Hillard    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Joel Osteen    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland

2. Here is another one.
I am looked at as one of the churches fathers. One of God’s CEO’s.”
“We’re not just a church, we’re an international corporation,” Famous Pastor said. “We’re not just a bumbling bunch of preachers who can’t talk and all we’re doing is baptizing babies. I deal with the White House. I deal with Tony Blair. I deal with presidents around this world. I pastor a multimillion-dollar congregation. You’ve got to put me on a different scale than the little black preacher sitting over there that’s supposed to be just getting by because the people are suffering.”

                                                    (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Ike Hillard    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Noel Jones    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland


3.  "He allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived ... Every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him ... [They] tortured Him beyond anything that anybody has ever conceived ... In a thunder of spiritual force, the voice of God spoke to the death-whipped, broken, punished spirit of Jesus ... [in] the pit of destruction, and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life…".

                                                    (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Benny Hinn    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Noel Jones    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland


4. “Yes! You are in control! So, if man has control, who no longer has it? God.”
                                    (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Ike Hillard    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Noel Jones    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland



5. During this interview the following very disturbing dialogue occurred between the Moderator and this Popular Pastor.
Moderator: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?
POPULAR PASTOR: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...
At this point, even The Moderator appears surprised by Popular Pastors answer. Then the Moderator tosses the Popular Pastor a "soft-ball" to explain his previous answer. And again Osteen openly denies that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way of salvation.
Moderator: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?
POPULAR PASTOR: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God will judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus
Moderator: What about atheists?
POPULAR PASTOR: You know what, I'm going to let someone -- I'm going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell. I just -- again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it's a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I'm not going to go around telling everybody else if they don't want to believe that that's going to be their choice. God's got to look at your own heart. God's got to look at your heart, and only God knows that. 
                                            (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Benny Hinn    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Joel Osteen    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland

6. "The Spirit tells me - Fidel Castro will die - in the 90's. Oooh my! Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed. But there will come a change in his physical health, and he will not stay in power, and Cuba will be visited of God."

"The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid 90's, about '94-'95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [audience applauds] But He will not destroy it - with what many minds have thought Him to be, He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed."(Please read Deut 18:20-22 to view God's response)
                                            (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Benny Hinn    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Joel Osteen    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland


7.  “I’m going to tell you something folks, I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I’m righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time ... All I was ever taught to say was, ‘I’m a poor, miserable sinner.’ I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen?”
                                            (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Benny Hinn    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Joel Osteen    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland



8.  "Now I gotta hit this thing real hard in the very beginning because I ain’t got time to go through all this, but I am going to say to you right now you are gods, little “g”, you are gods because you came from God and you are gods. You are not just human. The only human part about you is this physical body that you live in." (hint: This verse comes from John:34 and is a quote from Jesus which he was reciting Psalms 82:6 and this is referring to Man having the authority from God to judge.)
                                             (circle the correct answer to the above statement)
Eddie Long    Benny Hinn    TD Jakes    Joyce Meyers    Creflo Dollar    Joel Osteen    Fred Price    Kenneth Copeland


 

 I pray that you all will see the heresy in such teachings. None of this is of God. I do mean none of it. In Deut 13 & 18 God tells Moses to do some pretty harsh things (from a human standard) with such false prophets. I will let you decide. However, please beware. If you are under the teaching of any such “Pastors” flee immediately. Find a healthy church and ask God to open your eyes to the deceit there.

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Bill, you say that Joyce Meyer doesn’t run a cult, otherwise you wouldn’t be in it. Let me say that the people who are in cults think the same way! Nobody likes to think that they have been deceived,. They want to think they are smart enough to know better. I assure you that if Joyce Meyer teaches the prosperity gospel or that Jesus went to hell so you wouldn’t have to (and she does!), then she IS running a cult, and if you are supporting her, then YOU ARE in a cult and you don’t even know it!

What’s more, there is probably nothing anyone here can say to you that will convince you otherwise, and I for one will not attempt to do so. All anyone here can do for you is speak the truth. It’s up to God and you from there. If God can’t take some of what we say here and get it through to you, then you cannot be reached sir.

A few years ago, I supported Joyce Meyer with everything I had. I regarded her as a true, down to earth, sincere, and prosperous role model. I hung on every word that came out of her mouth as if they were the words of God straight to me. I never missed a show, and if I did, I watched her internet broadcasts. When she held her conferences in my area, I went to see her in person. I would do as she said to prove my commitment to God and take vacation days and drive 3 hours to Tulsa to see her preach at the ORU campus and drive 3 hours back home, justifying myself to God by reminding Him of these sacrifices.

Talking about sacrifice, not only did I give up a day’s pay to see her, but it was nothing for me to sacrifice $100 or more into the white buckets they’d pass around as offering plates, knowing all along that I’d have to sacrifice again when I didn’t have that money to pay a bill with! That, in addition to the hundreds of dollars I’d send her through the mail every month! In the typical Word of Faith fashion, I would then go to God in “prayer” and tell Him what He had to do (you [God] MUST keep your word; you MUST provide ‘pressed down, shaken-together’ etc; if I delight myself in you, you MUST give me the desire of my heart, ad nausea!).

Bill, that’s NOT praying! When a WoF preacher “prays” by saying “we bind you Satan, we come against all the powers of darkness, we rebuke all poverty and lack” etc, they are NOT praying to God! They are talking to the devil and speaking as if they were God Himself. It is NOT prayer. But I digress.

I absolutely LOVED Joyce Meyer! But God had other plans for me. I was DEEP into the Word of Faith . It was all I had ever known all my life. My grandmother latched onto the seed faith teachings of Oral Roberts back when it first came out. She taught my mother in the ways of the WoF, and my mother in turn taught us the same way!

I grew up thanking God for being numbered among those who knew the “truth!” Needless to say, I naturally equated the WoF to be the one and only WILL OF GOD, and anyone who believed otherwise was deceived and damned to hell! That being the case, I grew up feeling at one with all the T.V. ministers. I loved them ALL! As a young boy, I read Copeland’s “The Laws of Prosperity” and I was determined to make those laws work … after all they are LAWS and even God must abide by them!

But taking an honest look back over the past 30 years, I had to admit that they never worked for me. I grew up into my 40’s all along thinking there was something wrong with me. I would actually look at a mustard seed in the spice rack and wonder why my faith was so much smaller that that and didn’t work. Then I would get depressed because my faith was so much tinier than that mustard seed that God wouldn’t honor it.

I felt rejected by God. Sometimes that feeling of rejection made me angry at Him and there were times I actually told Him that he was a liar! That He WAS a respecter of persons; that He showed favoritism, and that He didn’t love me, even though I was doing everything I knew to do to keep with “His” teachings as I was taught them!

All that being said, let me say this: there was nothing wrong with my faith, so don’t even try to tell me “oh ye of little faith!” I’ve heard that all my life and now I know better. My faith was fine, but the problem was that my faith was in a LIE! The “god” I was mad at was NOT the God of the Bible! The “god” of the Word of Faith is a demon straight from HELL! I know that now, but therein lies the danger in Word of Faith teachings. The people in that CULT don’t even know who the TRUE God really is, and are damned as a result!

Back to Joyce Meyer. I supported her “ministry” with ALL of my substance, and I thought she was truly God speaking straight to me. But the more I gave to her, the poorer I got (the story of my life)! It wasn’t until I got down to where I was about to LOSE MY HOUSE the Lord began to act on the anguish inside me. I remember back in 2005, watching Joyce on T.V. One day she was talking about how she had brought her parents to St Louis and bought them a house close to her. She said “I was just in the mood to buy houses!” I almost screamed at her “why don’t you buy MINE for me?”

I pleaded with God to speak to her heart to send me a check and prevent the impending disaster facing me. Then I would know that God really heard me and loved me enough to finally do something after 30 years of giving!

But of course Joyce never did do that, and since I thought she was close to God and had his attentive ear, that it must be that God wanted me to suffer all the more! I couldn’t understand it. I had donated to her (God’s?) ministry, I helped her build her headquarters building and all the furnishings in it. According to her plea for funds back then, I was promised that I would “own” one square foot for each $100 I gave towards it (I gave $300, so I “owned” 3 square feet).

Had God forgotten that ????? Now I was in desperate need, had NOBODY to beg from like she did, and I felt God didn’t care. I told Him He was cruel and mean! But I still loved Him because even then, if I had given up on my ONLY hope, then I REALLY had no hope at all. Even then, I felt that my breakthrough might still come, so I’d pick myself up and apologize to God for my ill will towards Him.

Then one day, as I was watching Joyce on T.V. it seemed like literally “scales” fell from my eyes! Near the end of the show, as she was begging for donations, and her announcer came on talking about all her books that we could have for a “gift” of X-dollars, and then talked about “seeing Joyce in person” and hearing “Joyce preach the word as only she can do.” God Himself spoke to my spirit in that still small voice and told me “this isn’t about God, this is about JOYCE!” “Joyce” this, and “Joyce” that! And all the dollar signs on the T.V. screen seemed to “stick-out” like sore thumbs, and the whole thing smacked of one big long INFOMERCIAL about Joyce Meyer!!

That, my friend, was the beginning of my exodus from the Word of Faith! Each time I saw her show, it got even more disgusting to me … and I stopped giving to her. S L O W L Y, by putting a stop to the hemorrhage of money flowing out of my bank account to these people, I was able to recover somewhat, and I never did lose my house. But it was close. That, my friend was GOD showing me that He really did care about my financial well-being. He didn’t want my money!!!!! And not only did He NOT want my money, I was NOT cursed with a curse if I KEPT it !!!! That is freedom!

About the same time, I just happened to stumble upon this website, Pulpit-Pimps.org, and God has used this site TREMENDOUSLY to teach me the truth about where I had been all my life and that the Lord loved me enough to lead me out of it into the truth!

Unbeknownst to me, my mother, who had raised me in the WoF, had been led out of their heresy about a year before I had! She never told me though. I asked her why, and she said that I would have thought she was backslidden and lost in heresy forever. And she was right. Some other members of my extended family are not convinced, and there is a definite divide - but even that is mentioned in the Bible. That’s why I say that nothing any of us say will EVER convince you of the truth. You will just think that we are deceived and damned to hell. If God doesn’t get through to you, then YOU are not reachable. It’s as simple as that!

I know this is a LONG post, but before I stop there is some more I want to say about the Word of Faith.

The salvation of Jesus Christ is NOT about all the things that the Lord gives to His people! And people who seek the Lord for what He can give them are seeking Him for all the WRONG reasons! A person cannot receive the salvation of Christ unless first he realizes that he is a wretched sinner who deserves HELL, not all of the worldly stuff you WoF people clamor after! It’s not about getting all the STUFF. It’s about giving up their lives for HIM and becoming His slaves. Somehow you Word of Faith people have gotten that all backwards. You think salvation is about getting, and getting more It’s just STUFF, material worldly stuff, it’s CARNAL and ungodly! You think that all your STUFF is proof that you are blessed. There is one thing that is promised for sure to all true followers of Christ and that is PERSECUTION!

You Word of Faithers only think of earthly “blessings”. But God does not promise us the things of this world. Think about it What would it profit you to gain the whole world and lose your own SOUL? Copeland, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Paula White, all of those hellish creatures on TBN - I can’t even name all of the pulpit pimps on TV (and maybe even your pastor too by the way) all of them have their reward. They have their “Best Life Now” But they can’t take any of it with them where they go

What about later on? The Bible speaks of the rich man and Lazarus. That kind of reminds me of the relationship between all these RICH pastors and their pimped followers. I believe they will suffer the same fate!

God does promise us SPIRITUAL prosperity, but you Word of Faith people only think on things of this world. When people like you give expecting your 100-fold return, you are giving to GET !!!! But the true Jesus tells us to give, expecting NOTHING in return. Do any of you honestly do that? Neither are we supposed to give out of NECESSITY or of COMPULSION … tell THAT to all of the pimp preachers on TV who incessantly compel us to give to their ministries ad nausea! It’s WRONG! If any of them really believed what they “preach” then all they really have to do is give and expect their 100-fold return and leave their audiences ALONE! But they won’t ever do that, because they really don’t believe what they preach either. Otherwise they would practice what they preach. YOU are profitable to them, and they fear that if they don’t ask YOU for it, YOU won’t give it to them. YOU are their cash cow, not GOD.

I am not attacking you, so don’t even go there. I am speaking from a life of experience. As I said, I was all bound up and hog-tied in all that Word of Faith crap for almost 30 YEARS!!! I gave, and I gave. I did all of the right things according to our famous PIMPS! It was nothing for me to fork over almost everything I had … tithes and offerings above and beyond what was expected, because I BELIEVED what the pimps said. I thought that I was doing what GOD wanted, and I suffered the consequences of that for far too long.

Like Joyce Meyer always says “give until it hurts!” — “give SACRIFICIALLY!” My intentions were good. And I had faith. But my faith was in a LIE! I was sincere and honest, but I was sincerely and honestly WRONG. I think that the Lord really knew that, and finally got through to me to just STOP IT! Like, HELL-OOOOO! If this thing still doesn’t work after nearly 30 years, guess what - IT DOESN’T WORK!!

I see myself all over all of you defenders of these people. I was just like ALL of you. And a couple of years ago, I would have been standing right there by your side. That’s why I say that ONLY THE LORD will ever get through to you. Nobody could have EVER gotten through to me so I know that.

I guess you can tell I am just a little bit angry about this lie that is continuously propagated by the deluge of televangelists spewing this prosperity vomit into living rooms across this country and bringing millions to hell with them. But maybe somehow the Lord can use my experience to help lead someone else out of this DELUSION you call faith. It is another gospel, and the “Jesus” you think you worship will someday be crystal clear to you. I just hope that you find out who it really is before it’s too late. REALLY! The Bible is the truth, and it contains the way to the real Jesus. This Word of Faith gospel is pure MADNESS !!!!!


(Now that you have to face the truth about this heretic, what do you do? This article can help!!)